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#16
Interesting viewpoints and whilst you okes are busy ignoring each other, herewith my R400M zim$ worth:
African antelope, whether for Rowland Wards or other, all work on measurements of trophies and not weight. Dissimilar I know but the variance is there. The biggest impact on natural variance is environmental factors. I have seen many fish that could have been records or winners based on length but due to environmental and man made factors, they couldn't attain that lekka fat weight. Some might argue the genetic traits angle and that would also be true.

If this was my personal dam, I would prefer CPR simply for the lesser impact it has on my population of fish.

Competitive angling is an ego sport and somebody wants the winners bragging rights. The trend of killing or harming fish is moving more towards the conservative side and many are finding it hard to adjust. Why are the KZN boys getting it right? It’s just a mindset or is it not?

At the recent Junior Nationals @ Arabie, over the course of two days and ten fish each, there was an exact tie on first place…….how’s that hey!
I also take care of my “kept” fish because the current rules state that I must stew them all day, move them from their nests and home ranges and then weigh them at a designated place with pics and all for bragging rights. What pi**es me off is the okes who bring in turning fish, dead fish, drop them on the ground whilst holding for pics, dump (without respect) them back into the dam etc etc. That’s why I’m open to CPR style comps…………
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#17
toph2o Wrote:I'm definitely not missing the point.From a scientific/mathematical point of view I have a problem when someone tells me that a 40cm fish that weighs 1,25 kg is the same size as a 40cm fish that weighs 1,35 kg which can ultimately happen because of "within variance".I pride myself in bringing healthy,live fish to the weigh in's.There's a certain element of excitement at the weigh station that was absent at the cpr.All of my social fishing is cpr,I just don't see it as a better method as it only takes one parameter into account.I'm about the same length as Brad Pitt,but our girths differ enough to make him a much better catch than me.All this is just my opinion,so feel free to ignore it,as I will most probably do with yours.

I'm back!!! I probably should just let this go!

What, if any, problems do you have with a two fish, both weighing 2.5kg, with the one being 50cm and the other 55cm?

You also dismiss length because 'it only takes one parameter into account'. You do realize that weight is also only one parameter?

A fish caught pre-spawn will be a lot heavier than if it was caught post-spawn. It'll be just as long though!
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#18
toph2o Wrote:If you told me that,I would say it's a good thing it was weight,because on length you could wonder afterwards about who's bag was actually the biggest.

That's the mindset change required to implement a new method....'biggest' should be replaced with 'longest'....

Is it any different trying to hook the 3 longest fish of the comp instead of the 3 heaviest? Not really....ultimately the big winners in this are the fish....excellent! Our great grandkids will be proud of this....
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Rory Wrote:
toph2o Wrote:If you told me that,I would say it's a good thing it was weight,because on length you could wonder afterwards about who's bag was actually the biggest.

That's the mindset change required to implement a new method....'biggest' should be replaced with 'longest'....

Is it any different trying to hook the 3 longest fish of the comp instead of the 3 heaviest? Not really....ultimately the big winners in this are the fish....excellent! Our great grandkids will be proud of this....

You actually have to be home to make kids so they can give you grandkids unless you going reproduce with your Raker?

I don't know what the big hoohaa is about I don't see the weight format changing anytime soon not in the KBT, MT, Bassmaster Elite series or FLW'.

Now imagine Dave Mercer announcing " and next inline the "HACK ATTACK" Greg Hackney he needs 2feet 3 inches he has 3 feet 6 inches" and then holds up a measuring tape to a crowd going mental.

Never going to happen!!!

And the angler of the year won with 1 mile 3 feet and 7 inches wtf!!!
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#20
The world is flat and anyone saying differently will be burnt.
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#21
Marmaduke Wrote:The world is flat and anyone saying differently will be burnt.

This is South Africa here we necklace people for the desired effect :blue-wink:
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#22
Roy Wrote:And the angler of the year won with 1 mile 3 feet and 7 inches wtf!!!

Which is about 514 bananas long…

When will the Yanks come out of the stone age and start using a measuring and weighing system that actually makes sense?
16 oz to a 1lbs
14 lbs to a Stone
36inches in a Yard
1760yards in a Mile

I don’t know why there is such a debate going on about which is the ‘superior’ method. There isn’t going to be a comp where half the field must measure their fish and the other half can weigh.
You will either measure or weigh. Its up to the organisers of that particular comp to which method will be used.
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#23
When all is said and done,I believe the point is for the better preservation of fish during competition.It should be noted that there be something done regarding the keeping and towing around of fish in the KBT as this is obviously the desired method to determine the bag.Serious scrutiny of the fish should take place at weigh in by people with a trained eye,and if there are offenders in terms of damage /dead fish,it must be addressed.
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#24
To me the CPR format represents a conscious choice to emphasise fish welfare and the social aspect more than the competitive element. Once you are seriously competing the social element is going to mostly limited to before and after the compo. The requirement to verify results independently (because prizes are big enough to potentially incentivise cheating) leads logically to a weigh-in format

The B4C format aims at a quality experience for everyone involved, some small help to those who need it and low impact on the fish - the competitive bit is not emphasised. From a landowner's point-of-view the CPR format is more attractive and lower risk and so we hope to have more B4C events at private venues.
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#25
Is "incentivise" a real word?
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#26
OED definition: Motivate or encourage (someone) to do something; provide with an incentive
Veni vidi nihil prendiderunt...

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#27
Well I see you refurbished your post,all the negative sarcasm removed,so please ignore my sarcastic remark,as it now does not make sense.
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#28
toph2o Wrote:Well I see you refurbished your post,all the negative sarcasm removed,so please ignore my sarcastic remark,as it now does not make sense.

I shouldn't post after late night / too little sleep Wink
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