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#16
LaRocks Wrote:I fished the Classic the weekend and I did not see fish nesting. Some single fish hunting in the shallow water, but no nests. Did not see any fry either. How do we know what time of the year do they really nest. Late rain and time of water to settle, I believe play a roll. Just asking ? Kwaggaskloofdam were skipped last season and with the low levels Brandvlei also rested.

I saw at the the classic the bags that came out and were surprised how many fish were still caught after the Nationals. No big fish but a lot off small fish. It's not the small fish that I am worried about at this moment, but where are the big fish.

Do they have enough food, did they get smarter or does the cook brigade play a role. I saw with my own two eyes, how day campers caught a 1,6kg smallie 100m from the weight station on a life platanna on Sunday. That was the average smallie sizes in the past at Clan. The other problems that we saw were plenty Carp and 1 barbel.

@LaRocks - I just don't see how one 1.6 kg fish observed being caught by a bank angler compares with 60 odd, top bass anglers catching prime spawning bass - 600 by my calculation. Even though you may not personally have seen one on a nest, I can suggest with some confidence that the guys who came back with winning bags did. All followed by sticking them in a live-well for 8 hours or so, subjecting them to weigh-in and photo session and then releasing them over 20 km from their nest!

Sorry mate, just doesn't compute, sounds like somebody telling themselves the things they want to hear so they sleep better at night ;-)

theBee Wrote:Im just going to leave this here...

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@TheBee - Amen, what more is there to say? Very sad when it's multiplied by many times, maybe 50 or 60 boats over 2 days, in a prime smallmouth dam, where bass have no official protection! And all organised and attended by people and organisations that claim to have bass conservation at heart? I don't think so!

@BFSA - It's the truth that anybody, or any organisation that chooses to participate in, or arrange any organised bass tournament during the spawning months in South Africa in general, and on our prime Smallmouth lake in particular, cannot claim in any way shape or form to have bass conservation in mind. When the bass have all gone (again in the case of Theewaters) the anglers who really care about bass will know where the finger needs to be pointed. By then of course it will be too late, and we'll all have to to find something else to fish for - and all that will be left will be carp and barbel. And the guys with million rand bass boats will sit with expensive garden decorations and their finger up their @#$.
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#17
Every year around this time the same topic gets discussed by the same people with some carrying the same old gripes from the past against the same old organization that they have this personal vendetta against, using tournament angling and the spawn as a mask for their personal irritation. It's getting old now guys
What makes it worse is that the same people complaining I've seen lined up on the bank at clan to fish the September MT a few times. Get over it for goodness sakes man. There has been so many articles written by scientists in the USA of which some have been posted on this forum regarding the spawn. Obviously it's selected reading and only those with blinkers choose to come back and point fingers every year.
The same people continuously try to break down what others try to build for the sake of the sport.
You who don't enjoy competitive bass fishing can enjoy it the way you do but don't keep trying to mess it up for others that do.

And to add you refer to the dam as a prime smallmouth venue after all the last ten years of competitions held on this venue it still remains a prime venue. Maybe I'm just stupid or confused but ten years ago the dam fished the same as now and got better and better every year since.
Myself and Hayden got a 7.2kg bag on the sat and not one fish off a bed.
People in glass houses should not throw stones they say. A wooden spoon with an outboard motor might be a better platform to fish off next time round.
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#18
@Brenden

Thank you.
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#19
Chris you speak like one that has never caught a fish off a nest before whether in a comp or while out social fishing ??
Anyway be that as it may. I'm not here to fight with anyone, just felt that I would share my experience with those of you here that know so much of what happneed at a comp that you didn't attend. Brandin and I were fortunate to have won this year's Winter Classic and we're probably 2 of the chaps you referred to as having caught our fish off nests and driven around with them all day long in the live well for 20km . I can with all honesty say that your assumption is absolutly in correct. We did not see or catch a single fish off a nest in the 2 days of fishing. After the comp I made an effort to ask how many anglers saw fish on nests over the wknd and all but 1 angler confirmed that they did not see any fish on let alone catch any off of nests. Like I stated I'm not here to fight but merely to share my and other anglers experiences of nesting fish this past weekend.

Ps I would suggest you guys take another look at your calculations to, as in my experience of actually being there they don't seem very accurate.
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#20
Day1: 297 fish weighed - 250.24kg
Day2: 194 fish weighed - 142.36kg

We also didnt see any fish on beds.
It looked like the top couple teams found the females judging by the weights with the odd one here and there in the rest of the field.
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#21
Morning gents.
It's good that this topic gets discussed and everybody is entitled to their views, albeit right or wrong. Everyone is different and so is perspectives.
I have a question: Have the LM numbers increased in Clan over time?

It's a known fact that the two species don't compliment each other and the regular referral to "prime smallmouth water" would indicate to me that the management of the resource should be concentrated on smallies and LM are a bycatch??
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#22
The fish were not eaten retuned to the same water and they have tails to go spawn again maybe not 1st spawn but 2nd or 3rd spawn even as late as November so lets close the dam from June to Dec . lets make it January just in case there is a late spawning fish .
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#23
An interesting read.............."Closing off spawning beds is a hotly contested issue"

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#24
We found x2 largies on their nest Sunday around 11:00..

We didn't want to spend time on them as we still needed a fish to fill our bag witch we managed to land 11:55... yoyo!! close call...

I recon the spawn started last weekend...
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#25
Brenden Wrote:Every year around this time the same topic gets discussed by the same people with some carrying the same old gripes from the past against the same old organization that they have this personal vendetta against, using tournament angling and the spawn as a mask for their personal irritation. It's getting old now guys

Long over whatever it was that pissed me off originally, life's way too short for that, can't even remember what it was, but it's entirely irrelevant to my comments in this post anyway.

Brenden Wrote:There has been so many articles written by scientists in the USA of which some have been posted on this forum regarding the spawn.

This is not the USA last time I checked, bass are indigenous there and protected by the various government agencies, here they are neither.

Brenden Wrote:Obviously it's selected reading and only those with blinkers choose to come back and point fingers every year.
The same people continuously try to break down what others try to build for the sake of the sport.

Your opinion, not true but you entitled to it, I think Brenden that maybe it's not me who is living in the past or carrying a grudge!

Brenden Wrote:You who don't enjoy competitive bass fishing can enjoy it the way you do but don't keep trying to mess it up for others that do.

That is exactly what I have chosen to do (not fish competitions), but I'm not sure how by raising an issue that concerns me, and apparently others as well, is "messing it up for others", time will tell who exactly is doing that I think.

Brenden Wrote:And to add you refer to the dam as a prime smallmouth venue after all the last ten years of competitions held on this venue it still remains a prime venue. Maybe I'm just stupid or confused but ten years ago the dam fished the same as now and got better and better every year since.
Myself and Hayden got a 7.2kg bag on the sat and not one fish off a bed.
People in glass houses should not throw stones they say. A wooden spoon with an outboard motor might be a better platform to fish off next time round.

Clan has been the venue for competitions for a lot longer than 10 years but not on the scale or with the technology of today! Either way, perhaps I'm just a kak fisherman, in fact I know I am, but for me the fishing has not been as good as it was in past years, and for sure the largies have all but disappeared - so I might as well just buy that wooden spoon now ;-)
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#26
BillyBass Wrote:Chris you speak like one that has never caught a fish off a nest before whether in a comp or while out social fishing ??
Anyway be that as it may. I'm not here to fight with anyone, just felt that I would share my experience with those of you here that know so much of what happneed at a comp that you didn't attend. Brandin and I were fortunate to have won this year's Winter Classic and we're probably 2 of the chaps you referred to as having caught our fish off nests and driven around with them all day long in the live well for 20km . I can with all honesty say that your assumption is absolutly in correct. We did not see or catch a single fish off a nest in the 2 days of fishing. After the comp I made an effort to ask how many anglers saw fish on nests over the wknd and all but 1 angler confirmed that they did not see any fish on let alone catch any off of nests. Like I stated I'm not here to fight but merely to share my and other anglers experiences of nesting fish this past weekend.

Ps I would suggest you guys take another look at your calculations to, as in my experience of actually being there they don't seem very accurate.

Cool Billy, I totally respect you and believe you, but I still can't believe that it's in the interest of the bass to hold 2 major tournaments during what is generally the spawning time. I don't like to fish in major competitive events, but have no issue with those who do. I think my issue is the fact that there were 2 major events in such a short space of time, not the fact of holding an event per se. And no matter what any expert, whether they were there or not, says, that will remain my opinion.
The gods do not deduct from a man's allotted span on this earth the hours spent in fishing ~Babylonian Proverb
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#27
Anyway, not here to fight, I'm just here for the fishing, this is what it's about for me, a fat winter largie caught in my new home water at Groenvlei last weekend.

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#28
Clanwilliam will fit into the smallest lake the Bassmaster Elites are fishing next year 10 times!

Units in square km:
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Sam Rayburn Reservoir...464
Lake Cherokee...........116
Lake Okeechobee.........1715
Toledo Bend Reservoir...736
Lake Ross Barnett.......121
Lake Dardanelle.........140
Lake Champlain..........1269
Lake St. Clair..........1140
    
Theewaterskloof.........51
Clanwilliam.............12
Kwaggaskloof............17

So citing US research is all well and good as long as you scale correctly.

At Clan there were 5 boats per sqkm. This density would equate to 580 boats on Lake Cherokee and 8575 boats on Okeechobee!!!

In the extreme case I argue that a two-day tournament of 8575 boats on Okeechobee would have a very noticeable effect on the spawning success and have people sitting up and noticing.
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